I was attending the University of Florida at the time, and would come home on the weekends. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! ET: Did you make any television appearances in support of the single? We got a pretty good response and so we got asked back the next time they had one of these local band shows. The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! We figured nobody was ever going to hear it any way! ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? The A and B sides of that single were clearly intended for two different audiences. In 1966, six young men, most still in high school, from Ocala, Florida formed a rock and roll group with the goal of providing exacting versions of current hits in a live setting. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. ET: Thats funny because on the cover of The Return of the Red Baron album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasnt clinically correct but it doesnt have to be clinically correct to be right! BILLY: Absolutely, we did Sunshine of Your Love, Purple Haze and lots of Procol Harum. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with Airplane Song which was another novelty! BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. They had great harmony together. He sang it with all of his heart. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. The voice then said to you, yes, dont touch the microphone! Were you pushing for something else? We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! BILL: We had already put out Baby Lets Wait on the label prior to that. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. ET: Well at least that one didnt have the word Snoopy in it! ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? JOHN: Thats because they had just made us get it cut! It was pure Dick Holler. I was only seventeen and I didnt know what was going to happen if I told them I was the one making that noise! They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. ET: There could not have been much time between when you recorded the song and when they released it because it was on top of the charts already in November of 1966. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! Chris was actually mentoring all of us who were trying to put together another band called The Griffins in the spring of 1966. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? Even though we had a partition behind us it was still odd. That gave me the opportunity to return the equipment I had only had for a week and get the Vox equipment I had to have to be in the band. Then Larry Rich got his draft notice and decided to join the Navy. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! It was pure Dick Holler. The true image kept asserting itself. They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. They just made another label and stuck it on there but it kept alive the momentum while they were sorting things out. The others, except for Barry, were all in college at that time. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanuts Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. I think I was the only one in the group who didnt play drums. I wasnt about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasnt going to let them do that either. BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. His lawyers smelled money and, whether Charles cared or not, the lawyers put a ding in us! What was the reaction of the record company? A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! The Red Baron or was the idea to get into the studio and record an album as quickly as possible? Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? I said how about the Royal Guardsmen that sounds like a good name. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. My parents had just bought me a Farfisa organ which was an Italian combo that was more of a tank than the Vox Continental, it wasnt as cool. We got called into the Principals office one day and were told you cant stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or well throw you out. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. BILL: We had already put out Baby Lets Wait on the label prior to that. BILL: There was only one group at that time that was better than us and drew better than us called The Incidentals. I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didnt think anyone would be able to hear it. It was booming through the riser I was on. We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. BILL: We didnt want to do any more novelty type tunes. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? We had a full orchestra. BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. BILLY: I think it was around September. Then and now across a span of 40 years, left to right (both pics): Billy Taylor, Bill Balogh, Chris Nunley. I dont remember the correct order but those were the first four songs we recorded. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. Bill Balogh: The group evolved from a group I had when I was seventeen called The Posmen. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. The true image kept asserting itself. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he wont like it, hell leave us alone! We held the auditions at the American Legion Hall in Belleview, right across the street from Barry Winslows house. It was pure Dick Holler. He ratted me out and we got suspended. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. I think thats what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. ET: How much input did you have into the tracks that went on the album? I jumped in and did my thing and even with my voice cracking something fierce they still wanted me to join. They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. It wasnt against each other it was just the whole business. It was pure Dick Holler. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. Were you pushing for something else? They didnt take me because I had a bad elbow and back at the time so I had to wear a wig! That gave me the opportunity to return the equipment I had only had for a week and get the Vox equipment I had to have to be in the band. They had great harmony together. ET: That was at Fuller Studios in Tampa? We did the Summer Shower of Stars tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. Were you pushing for something else? ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. CHRIS: As soon as the guys who were still in school got out for Christmas break we did a West Coast tour. BARRY: It was within a months time frame, literally, from the time we recorded this thing to the time it started to kick. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. The Royal Guardsmen discography and songs: Music profile for The Royal Guardsmen, formed 1966. ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? ET: That was at Fuller Studios in Tampa? He only released it regionally in Florida and it only sold like 2000 copies. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. It didnt go so then he came back and said now you have to do Snoopy. We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. BILL: We didnt want to do any more novelty type tunes. Ironically, the store they had bought the equipment from called them and said they had filled out the contract wrong and needed them to come back and sign a new one. With Snoopy in the mix, their rise to fame became an express elevator but it was not without a price. The audience didnt accept it though because it wasnt what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. Star Creek Records. BILL: After Snoopys Christmas, the follow up was I Say Love which was an original song. He put everything into it. Bill Balogh (bass), and a I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? It was done after the record had already taken off. I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. The A and B sides of that single were clearly intended for two different audiences. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! ET: How close was that version to the one that ended up on Laurie Records? We had only been The Royal Guardsmen for two months and played one gig when they joined. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he wont like it, hell leave us alone! We had a full orchestra. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? BILL: I think Laurie was Gernhards first option. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with Airplane Song which was another novelty! CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! BILLY: He had independently contracted with them to give them first refusal The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. BARRY: Phil sent a copy of the record and a letter to Charles Schulz. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. If you listen closely, Chris does a great vocal on it. BARRY: It was within a months time frame, literally, from the time we recorded this thing to the time it started to kick. The Red Baron“, der auch der Titel ihres ersten Albums wurde. We didnt mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed Return of the Red Baron on us. It was pure Dick Holler. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. I had fun with that thing! That was our demo record. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. Larry Rich knew Barry Winslow and Barry knew Chris. My mother thought I was on drugs! It was done after the record had already taken off. On The Return of the Red Baron we had him saying I hate that little dog Snoopy! They had great harmony together. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do Snoopys Christmas which we werent too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. Were you pushing for something else? Thats how it started for me! Were you pushing for something else? The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. If you listen closely, Chris does a great vocal on it. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. We used to practice at Tom Richards house and we put the Snoopy song together in the garage. He was just a wonderful guy, just warm and personal. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldnt have used if I hadnt mentioned I would like to do that. ET: So by June of 1966 the lineup for The Royal Guardsmen was finalized. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? BILLY: He had independently contracted with them to give them first refusal ET: That was at Fuller Studios in Tampa? I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. Barry was the big push behind that because we were just in to playing cover material and doing gigs. BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. We had record companies calling, Gernhard was all excited and of course, we were too. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. BARRY: I had a ball with the Christmas record. Even though we had a partition behind us it was still odd. Were you pushing for something else? That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. I was only seventeen and I didnt know what was going to happen if I told them I was the one making that noise! My mother thought I was on drugs! We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. We will now sing together the story of the beloved Red Baron and that pig-headed dog Snoopy! The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! His lawyers smelled money and, whether Charles cared or not, the lawyers put a ding in us! BILLY: That was done at Six Gun Territory. How long was it before you started recording? We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. We used to practice at Tom Richards house and we put the Snoopy song together in the garage. Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. It was booming through the riser I was on. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. BILLY: He had independently contracted with them to give them first refusal Heres a bunch of garage band kids with an amazing record on their hands and thrust into the world of big rock and roll! Schulz eventually gave his consent, they got a pretty healthy chunk of money, and we moved right on down the road. It was booming through the riser I was on. I suspect Charles Schulz didnt want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. How long was it before you started recording? Eventually our attitude did get sour. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. BILLY: We did a version of Charlie Brown for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. The Kingsmen had a hit with Jolly Green Giant and the Sam the Sham had Little Red Riding Hood. The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didnt move for two hours! BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. We looked at the legal pad but didnt think much about it because we had a show to play. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? CHRIS: (in German accent) Attention! Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. It was done after the record had already taken off. ET: The Return of the Red Baron is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. The guys in the booth kept going whats that noise? We had a full orchestra. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didnt sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say dont touch that! We played with the Beach Boys in Seattle. We didnt get his blessings. ET: So as the hierarchy of local groups went at that time, The Royal Guardsmen were at the top of the list? ET: That was at Fuller Studios in Tampa? JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! ET: How close was this to the final version? CHRIS: As soon as the guys who were still in school got out for Christmas break we did a West Coast tour. The Red Baron on it. The true image kept asserting itself. My parents had spent $1200 on this equipment and they were just blue collar, it was all to help little Billy out! They were that blown away. Charles looked at it but never sent a response on whether we could do this or not. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? Chris was actually mentoring all of us who were trying to put together another band called The Griffins in the spring of 1966. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. ET: Thats funny because on the cover of The Return of the Red Baron album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. They list a few songs on the front but its basically a big drawing of the Red baron on the cover and a tiny picture of The Royal Guardsmen on the back. From what I understand, they stamped up a new title of Squeaky vs. the Black Knight in Canada. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. ET: After the success of Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? The true image kept asserting itself. The crowd loved it, they thought it was part of the show! Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. That came from Gernhard and his buddy, Johnny McCullough. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. I was only seventeen and I didnt know what was going to happen if I told them I was the one making that noise! A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. It was done after the record had already taken off. People were blown away with what we were playing. Then Larry Rich got his draft notice and decided to join the Navy. The true image kept asserting itself. Charles looked at it but never sent a response on whether we could do this or not. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. BILLY: Absolutely, we did Sunshine of Your Love, Purple Haze and lots of Procol Harum. How did that photo shoot come about? They were that blown away. BILL: We werent too enthusiastic about it in the first place because all Gernhard had told us was to give it three or four chords and a military feel on the drums. I would call the gunfights on Saturdays and then play the piano for the can can shows. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. From 1969, back row standing, left to right: Billy Taylor, Bill Balogh, Tom Richards, Barry Winslow. I didnt know there were union rules and stuff like that! The voice then said to you, yes, dont touch the microphone! BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. We had a full orchestra. I said who is that, God? We will now sing together the story of the beloved Red Baron and that pig-headed dog Snoopy! The place was packed and the stage started to jerk about every tenth round. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. 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